Bidens Garuntee

[Jester]

So now that Obama is president elect. What do you think the world will do to test Obama and do you think it will be Bidens doing?

Yes I am stirring the pot.

[David-M]

I think shit will happen internationally regardless of who is President. I don't think Obama's fortitude will be tested anytime soon. If it does, it wont be because Obama is a liberal, might have a weak hand or anything related.

I need to get an Impeach Obama sticker on my car as soon as possible. :D Isn't that what the libs did when Bush got elected?

[WJWheels]

"OBAMA LIED & THE MIDDLE CLASS DIED"

[Kuch]

Whatever happens, I doubt it will be Biden’s doing.

His first test will be even making it into the White House. He might find out his neighbor is obsessed with Jody Foster and we know how those situations can turn out.

[David-M]

Nice one Wheels.

Obama lied and capitalism died.

[Jester]

If Obama helps the economy what will you all do? I understand now that your candidate lost and you are making jokes. Cool thats your right, but are you all even going to give Obama a chance? i mean before I ever was on this board when bush was first elected I was willing to support him. His first year in office was a good one. then the next 7 went to shit.

[WJWheels]

It would be wonderful if Obama would/could help the economy. His proposed actions seem to counter that goal however. He can't raise taxes on both big & small businesses and expect them to create more jobs. With higher taxes I would expect fewer jobs, higher prices for goods, and more "money" leaving the country.

Higher prices on goods, fewer jobs, employers leaving the US.... none of that translates to help for the economy.

You, Jester, voted for his pending 4-year internship. How do you see him helping the economy?

[Jester]

I voted for social issues more than I voted for economic issues. I have not been effected by either parties tax plans so I really didnt have an opinion on it. With a kid on the way and needing to save for college and retirement over the next 20 years I will be paying closer attention to it.

I really did not like McCains health care credit as I did not see it doing any good for either company or individual. Individuals would just go buy a TV rather than have health care and companies would be taxed for thier health plans.

Not being much of a stock market player I don't see trickle down economics working. To me revitalising the middle class seems like a better idea. We are bigger consumers. The upper crust just saves and or re invests the money.

I am very ignorant to economic issues however and will willingly admit that. Maybe revitalising the middle class is not the way to go. Maybe going back to clinton era taxes will make more businesses leave, but I also believe that if tax breaks for companies that don't leave are in place maybe that will stop them from fleeing.

[Gintaras]

I voted for social issues more than I voted for economic issues. I have not been effected by either parties tax plans so I really didnt have an opinion on it. With a kid on the way and needing to save for college and retirement over the next 20 years I will be paying closer attention to it.

I really did not like McCains health care credit as I did not see it doing any good for either company or individual. Individuals would just go buy a TV rather than have health care and companies would be taxed for thier health plans.

Not being much of a stock market player I don't see trickle down economics working. To me revitalising the middle class seems like a better idea. We are bigger consumers. The upper crust just saves and or re invests the money.

I am very ignorant to economic issues however and will willingly admit that. Maybe revitalising the middle class is not the way to go. Maybe going back to clinton era taxes will make more businesses leave, but I also believe that if tax breaks for companies that don't leave are in place maybe that will stop them from fleeing.

I like english: Garuntee....

and this is great:

I voted for social issues more than I voted for economic issues. I have not been effected by either parties tax plans so I really didnt have an opinion on it. With a kid on the way and needing to save for college and retirement over the next 20 years I will be paying closer attention to it.

I really did not like McCains health care credit as I did not see it doing any good for either company or individual. Individuals would just go buy a TV rather than have health care and companies would be taxed for thier health plans.

Not being much of a stock market player I don't see trickle down economics working. To me revitalising the middle class seems like a better idea. We are bigger consumers. The upper crust just saves and or re invests the money.

I am very ignorant to economic issues however and will willingly admit that. Maybe revitalising the middle class is not the way to go. Maybe going back to clinton era taxes will make more businesses leave, but I also believe that if tax breaks for companies that don't leave are in place maybe that will stop them from fleeing.

and this 1:

It would be wonderful if Obama would/could help the economy. His proposed actions seem to counter that goal however. He can't raise taxes on both big & small businesses and expect them to create more jobs. With higher taxes I would expect fewer jobs, higher prices for goods, and more "money" leaving the country.

Higher prices on goods, fewer jobs, employers leaving the US.... none of that translates to help for the economy.

You, Jester, voted for his pending 4-year internship. How do you see him helping the economy

I need these to to print...and to show my friends....good opinions...high IQ....GREAT!!!!!

[Jester]

I have a lot of spelling and grammatical mistakes without spell check. I use IE 6 at work and usually post when I am making lengthy Database changes. I was even horrible at spelling and grammar in school when it was being taught to me. I have become very dependent on spell check.

[David-M]

If Obama helps the economy what will you all do? I understand now that your candidate lost and you are making jokes. Cool thats your right, but are you all even going to give Obama a chance? i mean before I ever was on this board when bush was first elected I was willing to support him. His first year in office was a good one. then the next 7 went to shit.

The economy will recover despite more socialism from the Obama camp....unless they get everything they want, then this economy is screwed. Hopefully the Republicans will remain united and shoot down their big spending programs.

Presidents don't control an economy very much despite people who think this.....its much more complex than that. President are given the blame or credit for an economy, but this comes from people who really don't understand the facts....like our media.

[Gintaras]

President are given the blame or credit for an economy, but this comes from people who really don't understand the facts....like our media.

Media don't understand facts, but you do? Cool!!!!:o

[Gintaras]

In this tread the word Economy is mentioned x-times.
So what's an ECONOMY is?

It begun:

David-M grows tomatoes, Jester grows cucumbers. David-M needs cucumbers, so he goes to Jester, who needs tomatoes. They make a Trade. a fair trade.

Now, go on others with their Economy opinions.
We start from the basics......:o

[Kuch]

Basics would be you learning our language. Work on that first.

[David-M]

Media don't understand facts, but you do? Cool!!!!:o

Ok, tell me how the President controls the economy since you claim the media is correct on this.

[mbossman2]

Ok, tell me how the President controls the economy since you claim the media is correct on this.

to put a good example on this:

the feds dealt out quite a bit of money to free up credit markets so banks are now ready to lend but guess what? consumers aren't ready or willing to borrow.

[David-M]

Your talking about the Federal Reserve which is controlled by the Chairman of the Federal Reserve....not directly by the President. I am asking about the President. The President does not determine the Prime Rate or the Discount Rate...which has a very large effect on the economy.

The world economy affects our economy more than does the President. The Federal Reserve has more effect than the President. Other things like international events can affect the economy. Domestic events like 9/11 or hurricanes or earthquakes can effect the economy.

Besides, everything the President wants to do has to get past Congress first.

My question still stands...How does the President alone control the economy? The media is wrong when it credits or blames the President for an economy. The President is a relatively tiny part of the credit or the blame.

[Gintaras]

Basics would be you learning our language. Work on that first.

I prolly do know more languages than you do...so......;)

[Gintaras]

to put a good example on this:

the feds dealt out quite a bit of money to free up credit markets so banks are now ready to lend but guess what? consumers aren't ready or willing to borrow.

feds gave $ to banks so banks could "create" more money. consumers aren't willing or ready to borrow because consumers don't create any goods, where money can come from. Banks can't create money because there are no lending. IT STOPS HERE.

This economic model- money-money-money doesn't work anymore.
it has to be: product-money-product.

So, how do you think? should americans start working in factories, to produce let's say Levi's "made in USA"..like in 70's, to make all Nike's here, in USA, just to few to name...

Or do you think: US just print dollar bills and all the goods come from other countries- Japan, China, Taiwan, Italy, France. And US all do- just investing, marketing, warehousing, shipping? Who, do you thing, this can work?

OK, US today can sell a few, let's say 10 Boeing jetplanes. Is it enough for americans get in exchange, let's say 10 million Mercedes cars, 200 million iPods made in china, etc..etc...

And you don't know what can happen tomorrow or after tomorrow...in The World today, there are circulating about 90% of money than aren't covered by goods. Remember, US "helping" other countries.."Marshal Plan.....etc.
This wasn't a "help" rather export of inflation.
If all these "help" dollars returned today to US, all we would be sitting in a luxury apartaments with wallpapers in dollar bills.....

[Jester]

Conjugation is key to being fluent in a language. I'm sure you know what you mean but with your misused terms, ill phrased sentences, and broken english way of typing I have no idea what you are saying.

I am sure you might speak fluently, but you really need some practice with grammar. And don't use the "it's a web forum" excuse. Doesn't fly. I know I can't spell or punctuate properly, but I do know the order that my words need to go in to convey a coherent thought.

[David-M]

You got that right Jester. Sometimes I am left scratching my head thinking "what the fuck did he just say?" I read it again, slowly, and then think the same thing twice.

[Kuch]

I prolly do know more languages than you do...so......;)
I highly doubt that. I know you can't count English as one of those.

Actually, I'm willing to bet your whole cover story is bogus and that you're just some jackass liberal practicing your Yakov Smirnoff impersonation.

[Gintaras]

Ok, tell me how the President controls the economy since you claim the media is correct on this.


I don't have to tell you anything. I didn't claim that media is correct. And read posts of others who say that i'm an idiot..retard..etc....that's ok with me...

When I walk down the street and the dog starts to bark at me...I don't bark back at them....:o

After that, and Ok, tell me you can easily prove that you are bigger idiot than me...

just think about.....:rolleyes:

[David-M]

LOL...that's a cop out answer. The personal attack instead of an answer illustrates that you don't have an answer. I am right, the President does not control the economy as the media tries to portray him as doing so.

[mbossman2]

moderator note: gintaras, please accept this as a warning: contribute positively to the discussion or be prepared to suffer the consequences

[bob]

While I do not necessarly agree with him, I can understand the meaning of his posts. His offence seems only to be an agressive defence.
Seems moderation is a bit one-sided.

[Gintaras]

moderator note: gintaras, please accept this as a warning: contribute positively to the discussion or be prepared to suffer the consequences

Could you explain me something....or is it "my way or may way"? just like US Democracy?

[Kuch]

Could you explain me something....or is it "my way or may way"? just like US Democracy?
Just for you Yakov. The rest of us operate on equal footing.

[heyhey]

moderator note: gintaras, please accept this as a warning: contribute positively to the discussion or be prepared to suffer the consequences
I just saw this mbossman. many of the guys on here do nothing but slap insults on Gint, mostly making fun of his typed "accent"..and more, inclsuing insults to his mother, I've seen insults on peoples children.. lots of pretty "negative" off topic conversation... this is one sided of you boss and I am suprised. He is not more insulting then many on here... when certain people start using perverse disgusting language and extreme personal insult against me you are no where to be found... and I always thought that was ok because you wanted this to be a free speech zone, so cherry picking Gint here for his negativity is pretty damned one sided indeed. Either point out everyone when being negative, including Gint and me even.. or leave Gint alone.

[David-M]

Hah...look whose whining about dishing out personal insults.

[bob]

Its simple. Be fair or everyone next on the target will run away before it happens to them.

Just say you had a bad day and thought you were at PCMech

Since no reply I suggest a possible problem. How about a leftwing moderator - that would get the action:D