How conservative is Senator Clinton?

[heyhey]

Intersting editorial today- suggesting Republicans who dont have the edge on winning in '08 wish for Hillary Clinton to be the Democratic nominee... not because they love to hate her but because she is the most conservative of the bunch of Democratic Candidates.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2007/05/02/BL2007050200485.html

also in the news today from the ultra conservative Washingtn times... suggesting Hillary is more conservative on immigration then our Republican president... which I suppose isn't that hard to do considring Bush is way left on me on this issues.


http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041213-124920-6151r.htm


question if those on the right facing the what is looking to be inevitable Democratic win in 08, especially if this War in Iraq doesnt get A LOT better REAL SOON...............no matter how much you dont like her screachy voice. On fiscal and foriegn issues she is way right of her party...maybe there is still a bit of the Goldwater girl left in her...

given the choice between her and a real liberal like John Edwards or even Obama what would you really want for our country?

[mbossman2]

the likelihood of a democratic victory is high (altho they have to be careful as they are giving their opponents ammunition with things like the pork laden war appropriations bill....dumb dumb dumb: if the Democratic "sweep" in the congressional elections was a referendum on the war and the Bush presidency, then strip the pork from the bill and send it up. Don't do things like attach the minimum wage increase or katrina recovery spending to that bill just to be able to say that big bad evil bush vetoed x and y for political points).

As the voters have not seen the true Hillary Clinton, annoiting her "conservative" is way too premature. As to her stance on immigration as compared to Bush, you are absolutely correct, Bush is completely out of step with the bulk of the American public here (although the American public is very close to the point of stopping all immigration, legal or not, which is just as wrong but that's a mob for you).

I have said it before and I'll say it here: this country, no matter how wonderful a president hillary may (or may not) make, does not need or want another devisive person in the White House (hence the strong resonance Obama's message evokes in you, heyhey, and many in the American public) and Hillary most certainly qualifies as devisive.

[David M]

One cannot believe what Hillary says because she says different things to different audiences. You can only believe what she does reflects in any way what she is.

Given this, she is in no way close to being a centrist. The chameleon lady knows she must appear as a centrist in order to win the swing vote.

We are going from from Slick Willy to Slick Hilly.

[themistocles]

Being macciavellian is not the same as being conservative...She doesn't push a radically left platform because she doesn't have the political capital to do so. She has to be concerned about drawing votes from a wide spectrum of voters.

[drisley]

Hillary is simply playing it safe. Its very calculated, heyhey.

I have to hope that America is ready for a change. I am tired of the dynasties for awhile. I don't want another Clinton. I don't want another Bush. I want somebody who hasn't spent their entire life trying to be elected for something.

[heyhey]

Hillary is simply playing it safe. Its very calculated, heyhey.

I have to hope that America is ready for a change. I am tired of the dynasties for awhile. I don't want another Clinton. I don't want another Bush. I want somebody who hasn't spent their entire life trying to be elected for something.

I think we could agree on Bloomberg... there are reports he has met with former Perot advisors about how to launch a succesful 3rd part campaign... and is willing to spend up to 1 billion of his own fortune on a campaign and is considering Chuck Hagel as a running mate...

I could happliy live with that combo and I bet many others here from both sides could as well...

wouldnt that be refreshing? both are fiscal conservatives... Bloomberg is socailly liberal but hagel socially conservative... neither are keen on this war... both are Republicans... but I think have broad appeal as independents...

[David M]

I saw a Hillary Clinton for President bumper sticker the other day. What did it say? Not Clinton for President. Not Hillary Clinton for President. It simply said "Hillary" She is obviously trying to distance herself from the negative connotation that the name "Clinton" brings to mind.

Hillary knows that what she wants, and what shes says she wants, are two very different things. You don't win an election by distancing the swing voters. To get the swing voters you cannot present yourself as being on the far left or the far right...therefore she presents herself as a moderate liberal. She has already said she wants to socialize 1/7 of the US economy through universal health care. In reality though she wants something between socialism and communism. With a left of center congress, she may just get what she wants if elected.

Don't let anyone convince you she is a moderate based solely on what she says.

[heyhey]

OK who is more conservative on foriegn policy?

Obama or Clinton?

If you had to chose between the two given the below response to the YouTube Debate question... who would you rather have as your commander and chief?

Stephen Sorta of Diamond Bar, Calif. asked the candidates if they'd be willing in their first year in office to talk with the leaders who, from the viewpoint of U.S. policymakers, are considered the world's troublemakers, including presidents Fidel Castro of Cuba, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran and Hugo Chavez of Venezuela.

SEN. OBAMA: I would. And the reason is this: That the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them, which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration, is ridiculous. (Applause.) Ronald Reagan and Democratic presidents like JFK constantly spoke to the Soviet Union at a time when Ronald Reagan called them an evil empire. And the reason is because they understood that we may not trust them, they may pose an extraordinary danger to this country, but we have the obligation to find areas where we can potentially move forward.

And I think that it is a disgrace that we have not spoken to them.

SEN. CLINTON: While I will not promise to meet with the leaders of these during my first year, I will promise a very vigorous diplomatic effort, because I think it is not that you promise a meeting at that high a level before you know what the intentions are. I don't want to be used for propaganda purposes. I don't want to make a situation even worse.

But I certainly agree that we need to get back to diplomacy, which has been turned into a bad word by this administration. And I will pursue very vigorous diplomacy, and I will use a lot of high-level presidential envoys to test the waters, to feel the way.

But certainly we're not going to just have our president meet with Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez and, you know, the president of North Korea, Iran and Syria until we know better what the way forward would be. (Applause.)

Or how about thier responses when asked in an earlier debate what they would do if they were president and they learned of another 9-11 type attack had happened?


OBAMA: I would assure there was an effective emergency response and not a repeat of what happened in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.

CLINTON: I think a president must move as swiftly as is prudent to retaliate. If we are attacked, and we can determine who is behind that attack, and if there are nations that supported or gave material aid to those who attacked us, I believe we should quickly respond.

[Kuch]

Just from those responses, I would go with Hillary. The problem with Obama is he is swimming in the deep end and he isn't ready for it. He's trying to say all the right things but his naiveté is obvious in his answers and it almost sounds as if he is pandering.

[heyhey]

Just from those responses, I would go with Hillary. The problem with Obama is he is swimming in the deep end and he isn't ready for it. He's trying to say all the right things but his naiveté is obvious in his answers and it almost sounds as if he is pandering.

Obama is great. Likened to Bobby Kennedy and Adlai Stevenson. Problem I think is that he is all vision, no experience and therefore at times borders on naivity..

Again I think Obama may very well have his turn one day... just not next year...

Hillary is starting to appeal to a lot more folks... I personally know many people who once despised her but are now seriously thinking about voting for her. ..

I think barring some major screw-up by her or Bill has the nomination for sure... and honestly. She is running a brilliant campaign... her quick sharp immediate contrasts to the Obama answers is evidence to that... she looks and sound the most presidential when on that stage with the other candidates... like or her not.. she does...

and unless the Republicans come with a candidate to raly behind like the main stream (not far left who are for Obama or maybe Edwards. and out in left field who like Kuchinich) but mainstreme centrists Dems ARE backing Hillary..The Republican candidate is in for the run of his life...

I think the Republicans in the primary are looking like the Dems in 04 instead of picking a candidate they beleive in... they are going to try and pick someone solely on the "trying to beat Hillary" category...

That wasn't enough for Kerry and I dont think its going to be enough for Romney McRudy either...

who knows.. after the above comments she made.. keep your mind open.. even you guys... maybe the sky won't fall if gets the job..

[Kuch]

To be fair, saying she would do those things and then actually doing them if she makes it into office are two different things.

Plus, I think that a democratic controlled congress that isn't really setting the world on fire may start to hurt the image of these presidential hopefuls.

[WJWheels]

In spite of what Pelosi & Reid are doing to make the dems look like idiots, it appears pretty obvious that a dem will be elected in '08, and more obvious that the dem will be Hillary. Those "Retire to Costa Rica" ads showing up in my email are looking better all the time.

[heyhey]

In spite of what Pelosi & Reid are doing to make the dems look like idiots, it appears pretty obvious that a dem will be elected in '08, and more obvious that the dem will be Hillary. Those "Retire to Costa Rica" ads showing up in my email are looking better all the time.

One bright, sunny day, Chicken-Little was picking up corn in the
Barnyard. Suddenly, an acorn from the big oak tree fell down and hit
Chicken-Little right on the top of her head.---kerrrr flop.

Chicken: Oh! The Sky is falling! The Sky is falling! I am going to tell the King!

Narrator: And away she went. Chicken-Little went on and on. After a while
she came to Cockey-Lockey.

Cockey: Where are you going, Chicken-Little?

Chicken: Oh, Cockey-Lockey. The sky is falling! I am going to tell the king.

Cockey: I will go with you!

Narrator: The went on and on and on. After a time, they came to Ducky-Lucky.

Ducky: Where are you going, Chicken-Little and Cockey-Lockey?

Chicken:
Cockey: Oh, Ducky-Lucky! The sky is falling! We are going to tell the king!

Ducky: Wait! I will go with you.

Narrator: And they hurried off. They went on and on and on! Soon they came
to Goosey-Loosey.

Goosey: Hey, where are you two going?

Chicken:
Cockey:
Ducky: Oh, Goosey-Loosey! The sky is falling! We are going to tell the king.

Goosey: Then I will go with you!

Narrator: And so they went on and on and on. Before long they came to Turkey- Lurkey.

Turkey: Where are you-all going in such a rush?

Goosey: Oh, Turkey-Lurkey. The sky is falling! We are going to tell the king.

Turkey: Well, hey, wait for me! I will go with you.

Narrator: They went on and on and on. After a while they came to Foxy-Loxy.

Foxy: Say, where are you all going?

Chicken: (All
Cockey:
Ducky: together)
Goosey:
Turkey: Foxy-Loxy! Foxy-Loxy! The sky is falling! We are going to tell the king.

Foxy: Well, I know a short cut to the king's palace. Follow me.

Cockey:
Ducky:
Goosey:
Turkey: Oh, goody, goody! He knows a short cut to the king's palace!

Narrator: They went on an on and on. Then they came to Foxy-Loxy's cave.

Foxy: This is the short cut to the palace. I'll go in first and then
you come in after me...one at a time.

Cockey:
Ducky:
Goosey:
Turkey: Of course. Why not?

Narrator: In went Turkey-Lurkey. Sssssnap! Off went Turkey-Lurkey's head.
In went Goosey-Loosey. Kerrrr-POP! Off went Goosey-Loosey's head.
In went Ducky-Lucky. Kerrrr-unch! Off went Ducky-Lucky's head.

Cockey: (Excitedly) Go Home, Chicken-Little! Go Home!

Narrator: Can you guess what happened next? (pause)
Kerrrrr-Aaaack! Off went Cockey-Lockey's head.

Chicken-Little ran home. She did not tell the king that the sky was
falling. And until this day the others have never been seen. And
the poor king has never been told that the sky is falling!

[WJWheels]

I don't get it LB.... are you equating a Hillary presidency with the sky falling? Or are you saying Costa Rica is where Foxy-Loxy lives? I guess I may as well stay in Florida. :cool:

[heyhey]

I don't get it LB.... are you equating a Hillary presidency with the sky falling? Or are you saying Costa Rica is where Foxy-Loxy lives? I guess I may as well stay in Florida. :cool:

It's an acorn, stupid. (to modify James Carville's famous quote)

The sky is not going to fall.

Stay in Florida... if you flee, all the Foxy-Loxy's and Goosey-Loosy's in your life may get trampled in mass hysteria trying to follow you..

Hey I even heard a rumor the other day she was looking at your boy, Nelson for Veep. To guarantee Florida. You voted from him, right?

[David M]

Give me Obama over Hillary

You don't need political experience to run for President.

According to you Democrats, we got an excellent one who before becoming President was some relatively unknown hick residing in the Arkansas governors mansion. Who is to say Obama could not do a better job given Clinton's previous experience governing a backwoods poverty stricken state?

Hitler also had previous political experience.

To say Hillary will be good because she has previous political experience is an invalid argument.

[Kuch]

I think Obama is a little more radical than Hillary, but this is just from their campaign statements.

Maybe the Republicans are smart to refrain from pushing forth a serious candidate. They can let the Democrats sling mud at each other for the next year and wait for them to bury each other.

Is anyone else surprised at how much Edwards has attacked his rivals thus far? Hell, if the guy made it into the White House (which I doubt he will), he will have burned every bridge on the way there.

[heyhey]

I think Obama is a little more radical than Hillary, but this is just from their campaign statements.

Maybe the Republicans are smart to refrain from pushing forth a serious candidate. They can let the Democrats sling mud at each other for the next year and wait for them to bury each other.

Is anyone else surprised at how much Edwards has attacked his rivals thus far? Hell, if the guy made it into the White House (which I doubt he will), he will have burned every bridge on the way there.

I'll poke fun of my party--- joke I heard on that god's warriors show... from Jerry Falwell one week prior to his death.. pretty funny in a warped way...

Chelsea Clinton was interviewing a soldier returning from Iraq...

she asked him "what frightens you"??

His answer:


Osama, Obama, Yo Mama.