what are the odds....

[troysvihl]

that a submarine comes up right under a fishing boat? pretty amazing. not that i'm suggesting a conspiracy or plans, i honestly think it was a mistake. but damn, how much would it suck to be the people that drowned on that boat? talk about your unlucky day.

[bob]

My first thought that the sub made bubbles and the fishing boat saw that activity (the small fish would run to the surface and cause a feeding spree) bringing the fishing boat above the sub.

Ugly scene. Not everyone who goes on a boat can swim.

Unfair

[troysvihl]

yeah, shit happens i guess.

[bob]

I heard that the most dangerous job is a comercial fisherman.

Since subs have no windows and no one would want to hurt students I hope this whole thing just dies down.

Their solution will probably be to limit access to an area of the ocean. Call it a naval testing area - or call it a government sea grab.

[troysvihl]

oh, i think this is going to go away real quick simply because there isn't that much that can be done about it. The families of the dedeased will probably sue the department of defense and win. But in the end, the military isn't going to limit their are of the ocean for commercial fishin and the Japanese aren't going to stop fishing anywhere.

[drisley]

I think it'll die off quickly, and no, they won't limit sub access to the seas. That'd be overkill.

[LawyerRon]

Typically these types of accidents happen when a sub snags the fishing net and drags the boat under water drowning the crew before they can react. That's happened quite a few times.

[jessho]

The last I heard was the sub was practicing an emergency ascent. They blew the ballast and came up fast.

I heard an interview on N.P.R. on Saturday with a retired submarine commander. The section of ocean where the manuevers were taking place is normally unoccupied. The normal procedure is to stop an ascent at 120 feet, listen for any ships, ascend to 60 feet and raise the periscope for viewing of the surface before the sub breaks the surface.

The commander felt, at this time, the O.D. or Captain had spotted the fishing vessel and dived to avoid it. When the sub dived, the after section of the sub hit the fishing vessel.

Whatever happened, Mr. Murphy was there.

[waiting]

We can't forecast when our clock time will be up.

[bob]

jessho, if they blew the ballast they would find it impossible to stop and look on the way up.

They just did not know the ship was there. Their procedures may be flawed or they were not followed.

By defination they were trainees and may have just made an error.

[jessho]

You're right Bob. The commander interviewed on Saturday was speculating on what happened. Since then, it appears that during an emergency ascent, the submarine struck the fishing boat.

I would think that during training excercises, there would be surface ships to monitor the surface to prevent these type of accidents from happening.

[politics_city]

^.^

Actually, I thought I saw a black helicopter in the vicinity of the sub. Yes, the helicopter was actually UNDERWATER. You didn't know they could do that, but those government ones can. They're REALLY secret tho, so don't tell anyone I told ya.

Just kidding, although, depending on the mood or the issue, I may decide to play the role of a number of people. The whacked-out conspiracy theorist is one, a character by the name of SoDamn Insane is another. (I got the character name off of a Clinton spoof called "Let's Bomb Iraq".)

My actual view on this thing is "OOPS!" Accidents happen, and sometimes people get a little mushed. The same kind of thing almost happened on a smaller scale last night as my boss and I were pulling out of his driveway. A woman was crossing the area wearing a dark coat and we nearly hit her. My boss didn't see her until after he had pulled out of the driveway.

Anyway, the entire thing will be resolved soon. If I were the DOD, I would at least replace the boat and compensate the victims.

John Brengman

PS: I have a politics site that could use some visitors & forum-posters, both liberal and conservative. :) Feel free to visit.

http://www.geocities.com/politics_city/

[LawyerRon]

We can land a spacecraft on an asteroid millions of miles away, but we can't tell if a fishing boat is above a submarine.

[waiting]

Good point, LawyerRon. Maybe our Govt needs to spend some money on research and development....

[Edited by waiting on 02-13-2001 at 12:28 PM]

[troysvihl]

yeah, i was kinda wondering about that too. you'd think there would be something on the sub to raise an alarm when a ship is above them

[waverider]

There were civilians at some of the subs controls. That complicates things even more.

[troysvihl]

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[Edited by troysvihl on 02-14-2001 at 01:46 PM]

[bob]

1/2 of the civilans were from Texas.

JAY BREHMER
OVERLAND PARK, KANSAS

CAROL BREHMER
OVERLAND PARK, KANSAS

JACK CLARY
STOW, MA

PAT CLARY
STOW, MA

HELEN CULLEN
HOUSTON, TEXAS

JOHN M. HALL
SEALY, TEXAS

LEIGH ANNE SCHNELL HALL
SEALY, TEXAS

MIKE MITCHELL
IRVING, TEXAS

MICKEY NOLAN
HONOLULU, HI

SUSAN NOLAN
HONOLULU, HI

ANTHONY SCHNUR
THE WOODLANDS, TEXAS

SUSAN SCHNUR
THE WOODLANDS, TEXAS

TODD THOMAN
HOUSTON, TEXAS

DEANDA THOMAN
HOUSTON, TEXAS

KEN WYATT
GOLDEN, COLORADO

CATHERINE GRAHAM WYATT
GOLDEN, COLORADO