Shooting at White House

[drisley]

Is this a crazy world or what? What kind if idiot would bring a gun anywhere near the White House? All you have to do is think the word "gun" and the secret service is all over you.

[mairving]

I am wondering how he went from 17yrs old to 47yrs old. They do grow up fast, don't they.

[drisley]

I bet the guy is on psychiatric drugs. Those kinds of drugs screw people up, not make them better. The kid at Columbine was on Prozac. The guy up in Boston was under psychiatric care.

In fact, I heard that Colorodo recently outlawed all psychologists and physchiatrists in their school system because they found a cause-effect relationship between the drugs and the insane behaviour.

Let's watch and see if this guy was under "care". We know he will be now, and he'll be f---ed up for life because of it.

[drisley]

Anybody want to bet me on my past post? I will bet money that we find this guy was recently on psychiatric drugs. they say the guy was emotion-less in the hospital, not your typical patient. Well, that makes sense, doesn't it? Psychiatric drugs turn you into a piece of wood.

This sounds like a copy of the Boston situation.

[Edited by drisley on 02-07-2001 at 11:06 PM]

[bob]

What's your problem with Psychiatric drugs.
Sounds like the unibomber - against all new technology.
Do you fear the corn too?

[drisley]

You speak out of ignorance, believe me.

[bob]

http://www.psych.org/public_info/PDF/medicat.pdf

1 in 5 people are likely on those drugs. That is a lot of "logs"

Your position is akin to rejecting the germ theory.

It is more likely that gunman did not receive treatment.

[Edited by bob on 02-08-2001 at 10:04 AM]

[drisley]

Again, ignorance.

I plan to write an article for this site about it. I've been casually observing the pattern for a couple years now, and the evidence of the psychiatric drugs's link to causing crime is very strong. You say 1 in 5 are on them. I'm not suprised. There is huge money in these things. I forgot how many billions Eli Lilly makes in one year alone off Prozac.

The guy in DC, I think its already on the news that he was admitted to a Baltimore psychiatric hospital like a year ago. So, I was right.

Bob, before you try to refute my theory, try waiting for my article, or do some looking around for other MD's who have written similar things. There is tons of evidence to prove my point, and, quite frankly, posting links to the American Psychiatric Association, of all things, hardly proves a thing. Of all people, don't you think they have a vested interested in these things?! Come on.

[LawyerRon]

Quote:
"I forgot how many billions Eli Lilly makes in one year alone off Prozac."

Follow the money.

[bob]

LawyerRon - "say it isn't so".
http://www.cchr.org/lndex.htm

[drisley]

Heheh....sorry, you guys lost me. What's the point?

And why the link to a Scientology web site? Everybody knows they hate shrinks big time.

[bob]

When it walks like a duck and talks like a duck......

Did you forget our past debates? I know I won them all and am sure you know you won them all.

This one is just to easy. One would almost have to either deny that a brain is a physical organ or have a conspiracy mentality - which begs the entire question.

Remember this is all "mental masturbation" - personal attacks are not my intention.

"On Guard" and good luck.
May one of us convince the other.

[drisley]

When it walks like a duck and talks like a duck......
Send up a flare when you have a point.

Did you forget our past debates? I know I won them all and am sure you know you won them all.
Of course I won them all. =)

This one is just to easy. One would almost have to either deny that a brain is a physical organ or have a conspiracy mentality - which begs the entire question.
Yes, the brain is an organ, but do you think you are a brain? I know I'm not. And this isn't a conspiracy thing, or some mad-rush to point a finger at something. There is insurmountable evidence to prove the harmful effects of psychiatric drugs, and that evidence is all over the place, whether it be at a CCHR site or any other. If you simply ignore it and call it a "conspiracy mentality", then you're purposely not looking at the evidence, and I have no idea why that would be. All I ask of you or anyone else is that you open your eyes and not decide on something before you even look at it. You can't only hear what you agree with.

Remember this is all "mental masturbation" - personal attacks are not my intention.
I know.

"On Guard" and good luck. May one of us convince the other.
You won't convince me. Hehehe....but, hey, thats the point of ForumClick, a place to discuss things. So, this is good.

[bob]

I know people that have had drugs prescribed for mental reasons. They are not logs, pieces of wood or splinters.

The drugs are clearly less powerful than the illegal drugs taken for pleasure.

They simply work - I have seen it. If there is a slight chance that they cause harm in some people that is not a reason to deny their overwhelming benefits.

If they do cause harm in some cases as you suggest I bet GWBush would never endorse liability.

It is one thing to say Prozac or another drug is bad - but to say they are all bad hints to a philosophy that lacks scientific bases and border on faith or conspiracy.

/"There is insurmountable evidence to prove the harmful effects of psychiatric drugs/"
Great. With 20% of the people probably using them you should be able to produce 10 million examples.

/"but do you think you are a brain? I know I'm not"/
If a duck realizes that he is a duck does that mean he is not just a duck?

[LawyerRon]

“Any person who understands the Relativity and Inadequacy of all opinions will never argue”.

I love that quote.

[drisley]

Bob, personally, I think they're all bad, although I will admit that saying that in an arguement without proper support is not convincing.

I, too, have known people who are on them. I've known several on Prozac. I once DATED a girl I later found to be on prozac. But, I tell you, it wasn't good. If you measure "success" by quietness, then maybe it works. If you measure it by how it well it covers up the pain, then maybe it works. Remember, Tylenol covers up the pain of a headache, but it doesn't get rid of the cause of that headache. I have personally seen people, known people who go through major mood swings and other weird things. Some get pissy for no damn reason. You can say "its just a stage" or "its stress", but I don't buy it. They are different people on the drug. Its a constant chemical cover-up. And I would argue that it does physical and spirtitual harm over the long run.

Now, I couple this with my observation of marketing techniques of these drug makers, how we see new invented disorders every day, each with a drug solution, of course. I see Lilly adding new indications to Prozac, like its some kind of miracle drug. I have read many accounts of some of the truly barbaric things that have been done in the name of psychiatric experimentation.

I also see the control these people have. How they basically forced the approval of prozac through the FDA. How they run attack ads on those who question it. How they make sure they have control on the White House. Sounds nutty to some, but Gore was into this stuff (his wife is a shrink too). Bush wasn't, but, hey, lets just put a Lilly executive on his cabinent. Man....

[bob]

That's a resonable position. I had a psyco girlfriend too - I feel your pain. The drugs are not a cure - but imagine life without drugs like asprin. It is just a matter of philosophy as to weather it is a cure for a headache or not.
If it works to stop the headache it cures that headache. But if someone keeps getting headaches it is not a cure for the cause.

The problem with the current mental health medicines is they may need to be taken for life. When one of those people stop the drug they may not have the control they would have had if they faced their disease daily.

Most mental health drugs are taken for a short time to releave symptoms while the person regains their control.

Religion can work in the same manner as the short term drugs - but it can not compete with the drugs for psycotic, Bipolar, or major depression.

[drisley]

Originally posted by bob
The problem with the current mental health medicines is they may need to be taken for life. When one of those people stop the drug they may not have the control they would have had if they faced their disease daily.

And you're leading right into my point. I think these drugs lead to many crimes that would not take place otherwise, or at least to the degree that they do. Whether it be from withdrawl, overdose, or just normal use, these drugs alter personalities. The White House shooting - there is a psych link. The Boston shooting - there is a psych link. Columbine - very STRONG psych link. The guy who shot reagan - same thing. the list goes on. Almost of all of these were situations where the person was pretty normal, but for one reason or the other, not happy. They resport to a shrink. Shrink puts them on drugs, charges huge dollars. As time goes on, they become dependent. Maybe they get off of them, and withdrawl sets in. In some cases, they find overdose. But, these people snap or become easily provoked, and we see them on the evening news.

and what pisses me off even more is that huge money is made off of it, and even though there is a preponderance of evidence on this subject, it is marketed and its attackers are bought or smeared.

But, I can write about that at another time. I think we've pretty much milked this one for now. =)

[bob]

Not having the drugs would prove to be an economic and social disaster. They just help millions of people to live near normal lives. Without them many could not work while others would not work as well. Many would need to be locked up.

The handfull of people that do not maintain or ever get proper care it nowhere near the number that are treated without problems.

I would still say that an untreated person with a serious problem would be a greater risk to society than any treated person.

There will come a time when the perfect drugs can be made specifically for each indiviual. Until then the ones we have will have to do.

[drisley]

There's a serious double-standard here. Firestone has had to do a massive recall because their product resulted in deaths. Hell, I've seen the equilvalent of Pez dispensers recalled because they might pinch someone. With all the evidence out there of the dangers of these drugs, don't you think there should, at the very LEAST, be an investigation? I don't see it happening. And that's because the powers that be suck up to the money.

Nobody can convince me of any good associated with these things. And, I think its downright evil what is going on here.

[bob]

So, since all tires can blowout we should remove them and ride around slowly on the rims?

[drisley]

Hehehe....

Not only did you miss my point, but you're losing me with all these nonsensical statements.

Maybe its just me...

[bob]

Investigate if you want. You will find that solutions to problems are not always perfect.

[drisley]

Oh, but there's more. =) And it couldn't even pass as an attempt at a solution, believe me.

Anyway, like I said, subject milked, for now.