What is the point of life?

[Nuke Krusader]

You can continue here what started here (http://forum.pcmech.com/showthread.php?postid=250500#post250500) .

Although everything goes here, I'd like this thread to be civil. Thanks.

[bailey]

this working now

[WJWheels]

Originally posted by bailey
this working now Post that again Bailey... in English this time. - hell, or Spanish for Nuke's benefit... either one will work.

[bailey]

I had to get siganed in again, was unable to post, they said that was becaused I changed my e-mail address,
so looks like it is working,

I see a lot of the same names here from pcmech. like the back pourch after dinner, everyone gathers for a smoke and a chat.
never mind, just ratteling on.
i been doing that a lot lately, at my age it seams that I can say things based on my life experience to help someone, then get my head bit off, and later in the thread find out that I was rite in the first place.
oh well.

do you really want to continue on the pourpose of life on a serious basis here ?
cause it is a real good subject to discuess.

[bob]

What's the purpose of this thread. :D

[WJWheels]

What's the purpose of this threadThe purpose of this thread is "The Point of Life".

LOOK! It already brought bailey back to life!

[Nuke Krusader]

Originally posted by bailey
do you really want to continue on the pourpose of life on a serious basis here ?
cause it is a real good subject to discuess.
Sure, I'd really like to hear your opinions. I've always enjoyed talking with people who are older then me.

(It's weird, I didn't have to re-register, but I noticed my post count was reseted).

[bailey]

I belive I am a spirt, and I have a soul, and the pourpose of being here is to show what kind of spirit I am, weather I am for good or evil, worship God or satin.
by the way I live my life.

is this the post you wanted ?

[Nuke Krusader]

And to earn your ticket to heaven.

(That was what I replied. Yes this is it.)

[bailey]

the reason I feel this way is I belive all things were created spiritually first before they were created phicaly.
and that when my body was born and I took my first breath, I as a spirit I intered the body and became a living soul.

baised on the concept that there was a great war in the heavens, and one third was cast out, one third was for God, and one third was undecided, there for the spirits of the undecided one were to live a life on earth to demostrate to God what kind of spirit they realy were, and in the final judgement will be rewared accorcingly.

and the only way to have eternal life is to live and die here.

[bailey]

it would be to easy to start preaching here, don't want to do that

just try to explaine what and why I belive something

you can stop me anytime you want to.

[Nuke Krusader]

In order to understand u better, what is your religion?

[Quartzhunter]

the point of life is to live...in peace with yourself and others...experiance...learn...share...love...creat e...enjoy

[bailey]

I do not claim any religon to speak of, I have studied the books and theolgy of the most major (popular) teachings of most of them and drew my own conculations, in my studies I have found whith exception of some outside concepts and understandings, that thay all basicly belive in the same thing,

[bailey]

the one thing that I have found with orginized religons is that people tend to interpet the scriptures to the way they want to live, rather than to adjust there lives to what the scriptures teach.

[Nuke Krusader]

That is correct. In order to avoid remorse many people just "adapts" the scriptures to their personal way of life. This causes lots of problems to them and to everyone else.

[Quartzhunter]

hummm, so I miss understood the question? or have we just switched subjects again? In either case I allways have something to add so here it goes...

I guess that organized religons serve as a social structure for a lot of people, and a source of income and power for those who run it (regardless of which one) how ever the bible isn't a "religon" its a fact based story about the past. While I believe in God and Christ I ABSOLUTELY don't believe in the mean vindictive God they talk about in the bible, he is not somthing to be feared what would be the point in that? I always heard that you attract more bees with honey than vinager, don't cha think he knows that too?

and Bailey, getting your head bit off? Don't be so sensitive....BITE BACK!

[bailey]

I was not trying to change the topic, just some background on why I belive what I do.

just a short example of a test I did once,

I opened the phone book each saturday to churches, then closed my eyes and in a circular motion moved my finger to the page, and then open my eyes, and where ever my finger landed, I called who ever answered and asked for a appointmet to discuess what they belive,
during the meeting I would ask certain questions pertaining to how I feel about interperting the scriptures and how I belive them, well to my surprise after a couple hours with this indivaule, found that in a way, they really belive the same way as I do,
P played this game as a experment and to increase my knowledge of several churches, also gained a better understanding of why they belive the way they do,

I always came home knowing that we do belive in the same thing.

I also studied all the differant versions of the bible on a line by line basis, compaired with the interpertures bible whach is a 13 volume set, ond gained a grater knowledge of how the differant relegons understand it.

there for I feel that when I say what I do as far as the answere to the question is based on my understanding of everything in general.

[Quartzhunter]

So are you looking for your "higher power" or just trying to understand what the big deal is over the church thing? My family took us to all the different churches in the town of Sacremento to allow us to "pick" one... while it was a great way to be educated in different forms of religon I just found I didn't need anyone's blessing to talk to him...I just talk to him all the time...he's god I don't need to be in a church for him to hear me.

[bailey]

my pourpose was gain the knowledge and understanding of why there are so many differant religions that belive in the same God,

one point I learned was the ability to comminicate with the differant beleavers on there level.

what I mean is like a yardstick, at the one inch mark you have the basic fundamentlest that belive that what it says is what it means, and at the 36" mark you have the phylosifers that belive it is the collection of stories that bring a point of thought and can explaine the reality of what it means, I wanted to be able to understand all the differant points of view and why.

including your own point of view which I can agree with totally

Christ came for the sinner, not the rightious

[WJWheels]

Originally posted by bailey
my pourpose was gain the knowledge and understanding of why there are so many differant religions that belive in the same GodThe reason there's so many religions is so they can each build their own extravagant buildings (idols) with all the $$$$ they rake in. There's no way to fedex the money to God and they're too fucking selfish to share it with the truly needy of the world.

It's the same as any other business bailey.... you invest your time and money and "hope" for good results at the end of the day.

[Quartzhunter]

Wow, I am so stunned someone actualy agrees with me...twice!

[bailey]

yes, I must agree with that thought compleately too.

there are many that is based on finiceal income. but I was refering strickly on the theologicaly areas.

I do not belive in ministers getting paid eather.
the gospel is free to anyone who wants it, and anyone thak makes a profit from it , or even gets paid to teach it is only fooling himself.

if you paid someone to teach you something and you do not like what he says, he gets fired,
so a smart one will only say what you want to hear, weather it be right or wrong.

[bailey]

let me say that the main real reason I am so interested in this thread, I have done so many stupid things in my life time that anyone else would have died in the same cercumstance, so many times that i almost lose count.

now I belive that because of my faith in in God and all that goes along with it, my life has been spaired, what bothers me is why, some say that it just was not my time to go, others say that God has something else in mind for me, and others say that my work here on earth is not done yet,

this brings up the subject , what is the point of life.

I ask what is the pourpose of my life, what is it that he wants from me, why is he keeping me from self distruction. I ask what.

so keep going guys

you are only making my faith stronger

[Quartzhunter]

Amen

[Quartzhunter]

Bailey,
Thats so funny that you typed that, my husband and I discuss that very thing (the how did I ever make it this far without killing myself (on accident) woo-hoo to that! I know that SOMEONE has been looking over my shoulder, protecting me from myself!

[bailey]

now then, as for the subject of this thread,

I know that we are here for a reason, a part in Gods great plan, we all have something to accomplish here, we may not always know what it is, but we sure do know how to work with it, at least some of us do, and there are thoes who chose not to listen to that soft voice speaking to them, and knocking at there door.

[bob]

I have a sign on my door telling them to go away.

I just wonder why a god that I do not believe in has kept me alive so long. ;)

[Nuke Krusader]

Originally posted by bailey
I know that we are here for a reason, a part in Gods great plan, we all have something to accomplish here, we may not always know what it is, but we sure do know how to work with it, at least some of us do, and there are thoes who chose not to listen to that soft voice speaking to them, and knocking at there door.
Then, the point of life is finding out what is what we have to accomplish. And do it!


Originally posted by bob
I just wonder why a god that I do not believe in has kept me alive so long.
Perhaps he's just giving you time to accept His existence.

[bob]

Great!!!! I may live forever. :D

[Quartzhunter]

Bob as usual I am confused, do you believe in God?

[bailey]

I don't think he will answere that one with a yes or no.

[drisley]

No, Quartz. bob is confused. Not you.

And, no, bob thinks the other 80-90% of mankind (probably more) who are religious are suffering from mass delusion.

[bailey]

thats sad

[bob]

As usual Davey is full of shit.

While I do not believe in god (that is a firm no) I can understand why others do believe. For those that can respect my position as I respect theirs we can all be friends.

For those that want to push their religion on me - especially by changing laws - well, I fight back.

[drisley]

If you respect a believer's position, you sure do give them a lot of hell, Bob. As often as you rip on these guys, it is easy for me to assume you think they're all full of shit. If you really don't, then good.

As for changing laws, I think that is exactly what many aehtiests have been doing for years, and I don't hear you complaining.

[bob]

You will see no less that a civil war if abortion is outlawed again. Those right-to-lifers are comming out of their holes in hope Bush and Aschroft will overturn rowe vrs wade.

[bailey]

I have respect also for one belief, but when I am asked a question, I will answere from my heart.

I will never try to change anothers belief eather.
but with the way I live my life, I hope to set a example, by letting the love of God shine in me.

but then I am far from perfect too.

one point to remember, there is a equeal amount of evil spirits here too, thryin to create a evil world.

[drisley]

It isn't equal, bailey. There are for more good spirits than there are that manifest evil. By a long shot.

Bob, I still don't hear you complaining. So, instead of talking about religious people trying to pervert your law, be quiet and realize that you have a slanted take on things and that the non-religious have been doing the exact thing you despise for years. It goes both ways.

BTW, right-to-lifers, as you call them, were never in holes, Bob. Over half this country fall into that category.

[bailey]

maybe I don't understand why uou feel that way, I look at the way the world is today and feel that is hard to belive.

[drisley]

How do you look at the world as it is today? Through the news, like most people? There's your problem.

You cannot get your view of the world from the news and get anything even resembling reality. The news industry purposely distorts the news to make it seem worse than it really is. They only report the bad, never the good. Why? Ratings. and ratings ultimately lead to advertising revenue. These guys are merchants of doom and gloom. The local news is full of crimes and murders. The business news is full of corporate scandal, even though maybe 8 to 10 businesses out of thousands are really affected by this, and that's it. If there is no controversy in a story, it either won't be reported or they will CREATE the controversy.

[bailey]

yes, I know that is very true, but still, mankind is raping the earth, and it canot continue at the pace it is going at without totaly dystroying it himself.
greed is worth more to man, than the earth that supports his very life.

[Quartzhunter]

It worries me that they are trying to turn roe vs. wade over and they are coming close to doing it in COURT. Hopefully they won't get enough of "thier" judges in to do it.

Bob- D's right, they crawl out from under rocks dear, not out of holes...hehehe... :0 (did I type that, no way it was my evil twin)

[drisley]

Bailey, what gives you that idea? I think the information you use to come up with that you probably got from the news, which is slanted by the left-wing extremist environmentalists who want us to think every step we make impacts the planet negatively. Evaluate your source, bailey.

Quartz, why is it that abortion has become such an important issue to your liberals? Why is it that many women equate the entire women's rights movement to their right to abort a fetus? You make it sound as if the country would come to an end if Roe v Wade were overturned (which won't happen anyway). It hasn't been around that long, and we were doing just fine before it, back when the very thought of aborting a kid was repugnant to most women. Boy, have times changed.

[bailey]

which idea are you refering to,

[drisley]

"mankind is raping the earth"
"cannot continue at this pace without totally destroying it"
"greed is worth more to man"

Sounds like you're spewing leftist rhetoric to me. Wondering where you get it from.

[bailey]

it is just pure thought from the things I have seen in my life time, the things man has done to this earth to distroy it, strip mineing, strip logging, pluteing the water ways, extracting all that he can from it to make money, distroying the rain forest is another one, just look at some of the rivers and lakes, and the fish that live there, the water is so bad they can't even live there.
I can go on and on and there is nothing but distruction everywhere, it makes me sick to see all this happening to the places I used to go, and enjoy, now it ins't fit for anything, forest are also being distroyed by acid rain, we never had that problem when I was a kid, yet.

just how many rivers are left where you can go and take a drink of the water without getting sick

[drisley]

Well, I don't know how else to say this: you're full of shit. :)

No, seriously, you're speaking in gross generalities, not to mention that your facts are way off base. This planet is resiliant. In fact, it produces much more pollution all by itself than mankind does. The ocean floor seeps tons of oil into the ocean every day, yet we're worried about little oil spills. Volcanic eruptions spew TONS of ash and dust into the atmosphere, and completely eradicates it on its own, yet we're worried about the exhaust from a car. Forest fires, when left to the their accords, would destroy MUCH more acreage than they do with our intervention.

You need to re-investigate your facts. What you said is not "pure thought", it is pure emotionally-based dribble based on some pseudo-facts you probably heard on TV.

[bob]

Dave take a drink from the closest stream. ;)

Oil in the deap sea is not the same as a spill near the shore where most marine life and fisheries are located. Tell me dave, where does natural oil cover the beaches? You are dense.

Rain forests removal and clear cutting is a problem. Have you ever been in a plane and looked at the clearcuts over the western coast and canada? Nope, you spew just like you did when you said the Calif power crisis was caused by not being fully deregulated.
Just plain conseratively dim.

[bailey]

I am well aware of the natural disaters that acoure almost on a daily basis, I was at Mt.st.helens when she blew her cork(almost) 100 miles away. so I do know first hand what that is like, I have been in and very near major forest fires, (north west area) so I know first hand just what that is like and what the results are also.
but that is not what I was refering to in my earler statement.

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say, and I do not have my facts missed up, and yes it is just my imperssion of the way I see it, right or wrong, it still is the way I feel, if I see it with my own eyes yes it is a fact to me, and I do not try to convince others to think like me, we are just discussing points of interest as we see it.

before white man came to this americas, it was a clean land, the rivers and lakes were clean, today they are so poluted that some are posted ,

I almost think maybe you have not had the travels of north america and seen some of the things that I have,
but it don't matter, you will always have your own opinion, like I have mine.

[drisley]

Heheh....we went on and on about the CA power crisis, and it had everything to do with the stupid regulations your state government put on the energy industry to keep it from being able to produce inside of California.

Clear cutting would be a problem, Bob, but it would have to take place even more for it to affect climate noticeably. If I'm not mistaken, though, a lot of logging companies re-plant in higher proportion than they take. It makes good economic sense, if nothing else. And, yes, I have been up in planes and I was struck differently - I was suprised at the vast amount of trees! This country is covered with them.

The oil is the same, Bob, its just that oil spills are more concentrated and more visible. Nobody is saying oil spills are grand. I'm just trying to put it in perspective to the planetary picture, you dimwit.

BTW, you can get sick from drinking natural water because of the natural bacterias in it. Its not pollution, in almost all cases.

[drisley]

Bailey, to each his own. I still think it is emotional, and it just leads into abnegation of mankind for producing and expanding. The ultimate effect of opinions like those is all of us sitting around and doing nothing in fear of harming the precious ecosystem. Those who promote those viewpoints have that as the ultimate goal deep down.

[bob]

Dave, for someone that has lived their life around the great swamps of Flordia, I can understand why you are so misinformed.

BTW, no power shortages this summer - actually there is a excess of power. The excess is caused by extra capacity that was rushed into production because of the Enron/el Paso scam that your buddy bush ignored.

BTW, I told you that the economy of the whole country would suffer because of the corruption that Bush encouraged.

[bailey]

man! did we ever get off the topic
what is the point of life.
so after all this discussion, what have we come up with ?

[drisley]

Whew, Bob! Your hot air stinks! Eat a tic-tac or something.

[bob]

I also told you it was "The Economy Stupid"

[bob]

baily, there is no point of life. You can still have a purpose in life if you can find one that you enjoy enough to persue.

[bailey]

drisley,
every time you say something like that to bob I get shook up as my name is bob and at first I think you are refering to me.

I got to stop thinking of what to say back, and say to my self he's not talking to me, but that other stupid guy

[bob]

Bailey, you did not strike me as a masochist. ;)

[bailey]

a who ?
I got no idea what that is.

[bob]

Which is the other stupid bob?

[bailey]

sorry, just my sick sence of humor.
I'm the stupid one

[bob]

I find it hard to believe any bob is stupid. :D

As for Davids..... I have not decided yet. :D
Well I mean fully decided. ;)

[bailey]

there is a possibility that you could be correct bob

[WJWheels]

So what do they call a guy with no arms and no legs in a swimming pool?

BTW - I'll take strip-mining any day. No buried miners, and a landfill and eventual park as well.

[bailey]

I think we need a new topic, looks like this one is dieing out

what do they call a guy with no arms and no legs in a swimming pool

[bob]

An idiot that swims in a acidic strip mine lake. ;)

[bailey]

I was in spokane washington the day the Mt St. helens blew, I seen the dust cloud comming, so I headed home as fast as my surberban would go,about 90mph, I was about 60 mi from home , in priest river Idaho,
the ash beat me home, we got 4 inches of the stuff, and it was like midnight for 3 days, we did not know the sulfer contant and could not wash anything outside,
it was like a snow blizard all 3 days too.
something I would not want to experance a second time. sure did make the garden grow great.

[Quartzhunter]

Strip Mining!?!??!?! Have you really seen what strip mining does? Of course I am refering to gold mining not coal mining...But its ugly, real ugly... If you do not take care of Mother Earth how can she take care of you??? We certainly do need to find different fuel, not just because its gonna run out, but it is so ineffectant as well AND it messes up the air, how could you not care.

[drisley]

i don't think we'll be running out of oil anytime soon. I wouldn't worry about that.

I agree we need alternative fuels, though. Funny thing is, though, I think we have some pretty good ones out there that don't even get the time of day because of oil interests, not to mention that its just not ecomically viable yet for anyone to drive anything but an oil-based engine.

The best we can do today is hybrid.

[WJWheels]

Originally posted by bailey
what do they call a guy with no arms and no legs in a swimming pool Answer: BOB

[bob]

I think bot of us bobs heard that one before you were born. ;)

[Quartzhunter]

Well D,
I think you are right on that, and I also think that the Auto manufacters need to really push the other allternitives, since they are the ones that keep buying up the pats. of the ideas of people that might actually work, to save thier companies...This practice woudn't bug me if they would develop them or incorprate them into our current modes of trans. Its going to have to happen sooner or later and joking aside, the air quality is an issue, I'm not as worried about the "rape" of the land (alot of that can be repaired. strip mining claims can be replanted) but they havent figured out how to fiter the crap out of the air, and as far as the green house effect, personally I am not conviced that we are not just in a normal warming trend. But don't you think that we should address the isssues before hand and not as an after thought?

[drisley]

I don't believe the air quality is a problem on a world-wide basis. And I certainly do not believe in a global green-house effect caused by pollution. The evidence just is not there to differentiate any climate changes from anything natural. Sure, air quality is a problem in some of the worlds worst cities, like Beijing. But, it is localized and the planet can take care of it on its own over time.

I think we should move away from oil dependence not for environmental reasons but for political ones. The Arab world can blackmail this country over oil. I think we need to put some heavy resources into moving our mass transporation off of oil, and let the likes of Hussain and Saudi Arabia drown in their own oil. In the meantime, we should be driling here in our own country as well as turning to other friends like South American and Russia. But, this Arab dependence needs to be ended as soon as possible.

[Quartzhunter]

I agree with you we are junkie's hooked on oil, and the dealer could cut us off or raise the price any time he wants. I'm not so sure on your outlook on pollution however, an alternitive fuel source would be good for either reason, I don't think the why is as important as just getting it done ... ;)