Is God a conserative?

[bob]

Be careful - this may be a personal topic. ;)

[WJWheels]

According to Catholic dogma, God is a triumvirate of Father, Son, & Holy Ghost.... 1 are 3, 3 are 1, all that.

In my opinion the Father is conservative, the Son is liberal, and HG rides the fence.

[MogulMonster]

I would say, no. According to the Bible, Jesus' life on earth was marked by being radically different. An entire race wanted him killed for his views. I also believe that the 3 are 1 (no, I'm not Catholic), so if one is that way, all are that way. I believe that Jesus is the Son of God. Being that he is God's son, God had to condone his actions to allow him to stay on earth.

[bailey]

it was not the race that wanted him killed, it was the leaders of there church rulers ( can't think of what there were called) that had to get rid of him, because what he was teaching would put them out of a income.

also both jesus and God knew that that was going to happen, he had to die for man sins to be forgiven.

[MogulMonster]

The leaders were the Pharisees. Because of their hatred for Jesus, the followers of Judaism also hated him. To be God, become a lowly human, and be hated and die a murderers death...that is something to be amazed at. Upon rethinking the original question, God can be both liberal and conservative, and still not be inconsistent. He is who he is, and cannot be limited to a human term.

[Quartzhunter]

God has to be everything to everyone or eles how could he be God? The MASTER of Multitasking!

[bailey]

I would say no, everything was given to man for his use, and to be a steward over all things, that is not conservitive in my way of thinking,

knowledge of god is limited only by mans ability to understand him, or should I say know him.

and no man knows God.

[RightElephant]

Quartz I am sort of with ya on this. While I belive that God forgives us through Jesus Christ, I also belive that he has very 'conservative' expectations of us. However, this is only conservative as we call it. You cannot simplify God to labeling Him how one of us views the world. God has to understand all our views as long as they do not conflict with His Word. He created those views, He is those views. It is like people who are afraid to laugh in church, the thing to tell them is that God has the best sense of humor because He created every kind.

[bob]

I actually had to leave a church a few times because I could not hold in my laughs. Except for funerals/marriages I have only been about 20 times.

I can really find a lot of humor in all the "great books".

But when they get on stage and try to relate that book to life I can't keep from bursting into tears with laughter.

[RightElephant]

I am dissappointed with your misinterperation of my comment. But I am more upset that you have not seen the truth. Laugh if you want. However this is not a debate. This is a question of right and wrong. Laughing at the truth of God is a problem you need to address.

[Quartzhunter]

Ok, I believe that if you live your life and REALLY try not to hurt others, love god or your higher power in your heart ( I'm with Bob I really think that church/organized religon or what ever you want to call it, is more of a social thing for the "body" of the church and a power/money thing for those in charge of any church) and just be a decent human being that you are doing what is wanted/expected (depending how you view the whole subject in general) then your cool with Him. I don't think he can be conservative, because he has created such a diverse universe.

[RightElephant]

Oh I don't disagree that church is social. But Quartz u didn't express what bob did. Bob basically laughed at people who are religious and laughed at the Bible. That is what is wrong.

[WJWheels]

Originally posted by RightElephant
Oh I don't disagree that church is social. But Quartz u didn't express what bob did. Bob basically laughed at people who are religious and laughed at the Bible. That is what is wrong. Now you're putting words in Bob's mouth. Nowhere did he say he laughed at people who are religious. Don't try to tell me all people in church are religious!

Religion is FAITH! Faith is a BELIEF! Because YOU believe does not make it "Right or Wrong" as opposed to an opinion. You've already defined "opinion" for us in another thread.

[RightElephant]

People who try to apply 'that book' as bob calls it, to their life, are religious. That is following their religion in their life. I didn't put words in his mouth.;)

[bob]

I do not laugh at the people that believe in god any more than you would laugh at a kid for believing in Santa Claus. ;)

It is the words that amuse me. The stories too.

[Quartzhunter]

I never said that I didn't believe in God or his Son (remember I DO think the Bible tells the truth on the "history") and Jesus comes up not only in the bible but in other places as well, and because he was not a "king" or from a place of power so to speak, he must have been something (would have loved to witnessed him in person) however I SCOFF at the church ANY church they are crap ( IN MY OPINION, that would mean for me personally,) I am not going to live my life by ANY MANS/WOMANS RULES, I live by my rules...and I wouldn't laugh at any one eleses FAITH, that would be rude in a personal way.

[WJWheels]

I believe it's a combo service of Snake-Handlers, Holy Rollers, Muslims, & Jews.... can I at least smile?

[Quartzhunter]

:0 :) ;)

[bailey]

I get the feeling that none of you have never in there entire life experanced the true spirit of God.
In a way I feel sorry for yous because it is a wounderfull experience.

[RightElephant]

No Bailey, Ihear you 100%. :) I understand. I know the experience.

[bailey]

thanks, I was thinking I was the only one here that has any faith in God.

[RightElephant]

No, I am with you. :) :)

[Quartzhunter]

Of course I have exprienced the "true sprit of God" or I wouldn't believe AT ALL. I don't think I have to run around and recruit for him, or force my opion on others to get them to rally...which is how I feel about "church"I talk to him and he always replies...not always the answer I want but I usally get the message...I love him and he loves my just the way its s'posed to be...morrree coffee....

[Quartzhunter]

WJ, you smile?

[WJWheels]

Why else would I come here if not for (as Hal would put it), mon rire du jour.

[Quartzhunter]

Me too! lol

[bailey]

well I am to stupid to know what he said.

[drisley]

Personally, I believe we are all part of God. I do not assign a single personality to God. It is a collective thing - infinity. In that regard, the question posed by this thread is bogus.

That's my take, though. I wouldn't seek to rip on the viewpoints of others. I find Bob and his like rather repulsive for doing such things. You liberal are supposed to be tolerant, but you're anything but tolerant when push comes to shove. Look at Clyde, in the political forum, seeking to explain away the miners' words because they claim their faith pulled them through their ordeal. Fine if you don't believe that, but keep your damn mouth shut. And, Bob, comparing belief in God to that of Santa? Come on! I don't really believe in the Christian sense of God, but I'm sure as hell not going to poke jokes at anyone. They are a thousand times better off, IMO, than someone who doesn't beleive he is anything but a hunk of brain matter inside of a skull.

That's my rant. :)

[bob]

Funny thing is I would take that one step further and say god exists AS the sum of the belief of all people who believe in him.

Now Dave, who said Santa is not real. ;)

[drisley]

I don't think its a matter of belief. If we are all a part of God, then it just IS, regardless of whether you think so or not. I would say your statement is true when directed at the universe itself, but not about the existence of a supreme being, which I believe is basically the sum total of all spiritual energy that exists, all of us included.

Of course, this is my current take on things. It could evolve.

[bailey]

good point drisley, and in a sence I can agree with you 100 percent, there is hope for you yet

[Quartzhunter]

There is ALLWAYS HOPE, no matter what you believe!

[WJWheels]

.... back to Bob's original subject.... :rolleyes:

It amazes me that the Dems try so hard to associate right-wing thinking with religion. Demographically, their highest %-age following is among blacks, who also are the highest %-age church goers.

[drisley]

I don't think they put that much thought into it, Wheels. For a lot of them, its a convenient way to write off right-leaning viewpoints and not have to consider them. "Well, he's just a Cathlolic" - and they proceed to discount everything that comes out of his mouth - as if all of his viewpoints are dictated by the Bible. Liberals do that all the time - assign some big label to a group and use it as an excuse to not consider their views valid and not have to debate them accordingly.

As for blacks, I think Dems just take for granted the fact that most blacks will always support them no matter what they do. And that seems to be the case quite often. Despite the fact that a majority of blacks support the voucher idea, for example, the Democrat higher-ups don't and blacks will still vote for them.

[Quartzhunter]

So the REAL question to this subject (I should have known) is: Is God a republican or and Demorate? Well you guys I think he would head his own party don't you?

[Quartzhunter]

I mean him being God an' all.

[Sauron]

Ya know, if I get to heaven, and I learn that we got to have those same damned politics up there as down here....(hey one of the angels gets to be God this year...) I am going to go somewhere, maybe back to earth, same as wearing a halo and running around in a nightgown and carrying a harp. Like I can't even play a harp, and I get embarrassed if my dad sees my in my pjs..

[Quartzhunter]

what church do you belong to?

[Sauron]

The old Traditional Catholic Church, tho I bet I am probably labeled as a blashemer.(?) Like we are all supposed to live in heaven and be happy... Well I am scared of heights...and hey, I like my computer...what if I couldn't have mine up there?

[Quartzhunter]

I was baptised a catholic too, I was allowed to go to alot of churchs to "pick one out" I prefer to talk to god when I need to talk to him it never matters where I am I know he can hear me. Don't worry about lables suron, just worry about being you.

[Sauron]

Thats why I am me:) And thats why I will keep saying I am a Catholic, and how this country is awful, and the problems with religion, and the problems with catholics and the problems of the rest of the crap...